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Bespin

  

Theme/Style for KDE 4.0

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Bespin
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Downloads:  70706
Submitted:  Aug 8 2007
Updated:  Apr 25 2013

Description:

A widget style for Qt4
- Pretty configurable
- More Mac than Windows - but no clone at all
- Don't ask me to port Baghira ;-)

As for what to do with GTK+ applications, have a look here:
http://arch-stuff.org/content/show.php?content=134123

It suites the default look pretty well. Set the "Default" titlebar background colors to 239/239/240 and the text to something dark/gray.

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Thalics complete Bespin Guide is afaik still down, sorry :-(




Changelog:

SVN PATH UPDATE
Due to sf.net updates, the code is now tracked here:
svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/cloudcity/code/ cloudcity-code




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 2dreamsofubuntu

 
 by BlueBerryBrain on: May 21 2010
 
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are you sure that have all nessesary packages?!


BTW if you're using the latest kubuntu release you can find already compiled bespin style & xbar plasmoid in repository & they seems to be fresh enought. So you can just generate icon set, k/bootsplash if you need them, using that guide.


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 Re: 2dreamsofubuntu

 
 by dreamsofubuntu on: May 21 2010
 
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Should really of mentioned what I was running....

I'm on Linux Mint 8 KDE CE which is based on Kubuntu 9.10

I was following the tutorial linked in the main post so I assumed that the steps I followed on that would have installed all the dependencies...


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 Create Styles

 
 by santiagolp98 on: May 23 2010
 
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What program do you use to create KDE Themes???


SantiagoLP
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 Re: Create Styles

 
 by thomas12777 on: May 23 2010
 
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kate and gcc :-)

(you need to speak c++ in order to write a Qt style plugin, kate is a texteditor/lightweight IDE, gcc is a compiler)


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 xbar question & idea

 
 by BlueBerryBrain on: May 23 2010
 
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Question: Is it possible to force xbar to display only the toolbar if it exists or if it can be grabbed by xbar. (I don't like that xbar shows task, it's ugly especially when the are lot's of titles or the title is big - he can push to the edge of the screen some plasmoids...)

Idea: I have an idea about toolbar, but i don't know is it possible to release it. In different cases global bar is useful & not (when the display is big enough). but people rarely use toolbar.
So returning to my idea:
Additional toolbutton that will show toolbar 1)like a popup menu, here is simular firefox plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/ru/firefox/addon/4550/
2)and the second way is to moving toolbuttons down to show toolbar



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 Re: xbar question & idea

 
 by thomas12777 on: May 25 2010
 
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the taskbar has been kicked in favour of an xml configurable menu in recent versions 8since a month or so)
-> upgrade (there's a demo menu in the XBar subdir - i should iporove "first use" or provide a doc, though)

the chrome menubar -> toolbar thing has two pitfalls:
a) transferring a menubar into a popup window won't work because of the specialities of popup menus (they grab the pointer to close when you click somewhere outside)
b) injecting a toolbutton. i cannot simply add a button to a toolbar as this will likely confuse the application and i cannot add it to the action collection (configurable buttons with KDE toolbars only) either

what would (probably) be possible is the opera way, ie. map the menubar into a popup inside the client and add that to the server (which could reside either on the desktop or in the titlebar)


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 Creating a theme

 
 by OdinEidolon on: May 25 2010
 
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Is there a guide/tips/hints on how to create a Bespin theme? What do I need?


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 Re: Creating a theme

 
 by thomas12777 on: May 25 2010
 
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run "bespin config" - you can click together various aspects of the style there (it's also accessible from systemsettings/appearance)


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 Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by OdinEidolon on: May 25 2010
 
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Yep, i knew that. I was looking for a guide, since many aspects of the interface aren't explained and one has to try them (and sometimes it's hard to look for what has changed) to find out what they do.
Is there something you cannot change from the GUI but can from config files?
Also, it seems I can't find how to change titlebar buttons appareance. I mean, they did not change when i selected Bespin instead of Oxygen.
Is it possible to add an image in the titlebar, like in James White Chrome theme (https://tools.google.com/chrome/intl/ig/themes/theme_at_jameswhite.html)?

BTW the theme is great. Best customizability i've seen yet. ARGB works well under KDE 4.4. Lacks a bit of ease-of-understanding but who cares.


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 Re: Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by thomas12777 on: May 25 2010
 
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no, there's no extensive docu.
the provided help is (partially) incomplete and probbly Qt API biased.
if you point worries about a specific item, i'll try to explain it better :-)

there are _few_ settings w/o gui - for good reason :-)
placing
IAmMyLittleSister=true
in the [Deco] section will give you (hardcoded) red/yellow/green titlebar buttons

in the Style section,
Bg.Docks.Invert=true
provides you inverted dockwidgets (eg. files/places/info in dolphin)

Bg.Docks.Shape=true
controls round corners (and only makes sense in combination with the above)

ShowOff=true
will (partially) twist horizontal/vertical gradients.
this makes an interesting look, but also creates and caches more and larger gradient pixmaps.

if you cannot apply and change the deocration (and maybe not even see it in teh preview) there's sth. wrong with your installation.

there's no support for custom overlays, only the oxygen rings (which was rather a proof of concept)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by OdinEidolon on: May 26 2010
 
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Sad. Will it ever be avaiable? Would be great.
I installed Bespin from Aur (Archlinux). It is updated of course. What may be wrong?
However my current setup is preventing me from opening programs like Chrome of firefox. Returns only "floating point error". I'll find out if it is ARGB's fault asap.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by OdinEidolon on: May 27 2010
 
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So the chrome issue was due to the GTK settings. Now everything seems to work fine (don't ask me why).
***Constructive criticism!***
I have some suggestions though! I don't really like the tabs, as i preferred the oxygens ones (simlar to the chrome ones). The possibility to choose between some tabs type would be wonderful. The same goes for titlebar buttons. Uh, and it seems there is no way i can make the buttons raised like in oxygen (i.e. a bit more rounded), which is a shame. (even "raised" seems a bit sunken to me). However i know I will not leave this theme for a long, long time ;)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jun 27 2010
 
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sorry for the ... errr ... "delay" (one! month), really.

- tabs: not in the cards. getting away from
some "traditional" looks is part of the philosophy

- raised buttons: i'm not really sure what you're talking about here. in case "rounded" refers to the 3D look (the bevel) there are several gradients available. "raised" refers to the layer compared to the window (above, same layer, below)

- titlebar buttons: are supposed to carry on the appearance and behaviour (zoom) for the toolbuttons. if you've suggestions for diffferent shapes (there're so far 4 available) or how this can be achieved on another look i'll happily have a look. "Aqua" (ie. os-x) won't happen though.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by OdinEidolon on: Jun 27 2010
 
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No problem at all.
Yep, I was talking about beveled buttons, there's no way I can make the look like I'd like to. I'm currently using raised/sunken for the "normal buttons". I'd like to have them more oxygen-style, however your objection about getting away from traditional looks makes sense.
Hate the OS-X look myself so don't worry.

About tabs: I still think that being able to choose between different tab types, like you can choose between different titlebar buttons and everything else, would be nice. It's pretty much one of the few things not fully customizable in your theme.

Are you still working on innovations or only bug fixes and such?ÀDÄC€D



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jun 28 2010
 
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you may be lucky on the bevel - i had added some "shiny" variant but not usably implemented. so i just did and it's in the latest revision. it might be what you're looking for.

you'll btw. get a slight different tab appearance if the selected role does not differ from the "normal" one.
in general i do not oppose different tab looks, but the "traditional" variant not only resemebles a real-life item that's hardly used anymore but also has an unfortunate (dull...) behaviour - you push it and as result tab and page jump onto the top of the stack, that doesn't make sense at all.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Creating a theme

 
 by Saleel on: Jun 27 2010
 
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DrawSplitters=false

Also this one; if it is still in.


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 Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: May 30 2010
 
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Hey, could you check compatibility with KDevelop4 (recently released) and Dolphin? Dolphin displays an ugly inline shadow-ish thing with the most recent SVN snapshot, let me know if you need to see an image and my configuration. I use glass everything, UNO, and a bunch of other stuff if that's any help. And with KDevelop, nothing looks right! KDevelop is an awesome IDE, but nothing looks right graphically when using Bespin, and it makes me not want to use KDevelop. :(


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 Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jun 2 2010
 
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dolphin screenshot would be helpfull (there's been a "one revision" bug related to the UNO toolbar, misaligning the titleshadow)

talking about kdevelop, you probably refer to the unfortunate pseude tabbar in the menubar and the homebrew menubar stack?

looks ok here, but a shot and/or your config would be helpful as well. (i basically "fix" that with each kdevelop release ;-)


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 Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Jun 11 2010
 
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KDev screenshots..
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/796/snapshot23.png
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/18/snapshot24.png
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/4792/snapshot25.png
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5307/snapshot26.png

I'm using the version from the repos, but this config file should show the same problem, even using the latest SVN, (this includes the dolphin problem).
http://rapidshare.com/files/397671922/Style.conf.html


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 Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jun 11 2010
 
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the pseudo tab-in-menubar should actually be worked around in somewhat recent versions (the background isn't painted)

the menubar items _are_ menubar items (just disabled - why they just don't set a separator action, i don't know. this isn't "supported"/expected by any Qt built in style btw. - namely plastique...)

the buttons (are actually buttons, explicitly painted here) in the itemviews (documents) are both: distasteful and buggy (as the text is just the itemview text with hardcoded text color, what will lead to more color bugs...)
-> i worked around them, but in general (i'll rhy this statement) kdevelop should maybe try to use more std. items instead of handcrafting widgets, abusing style elements for painting them...

as for the disaligned toolbuttons, it's the toolbars job to align geometries (ie. if you've icon only toolbuttons and text-only toolbuttons, you don't want the vertical sizepolicy to be "preferred" or even "fixed" but rather "like minimumexpanding" (to get them ceter aligned)
i'll see what can be done but it's actually not the styles job to fix applications. :-(

dolphin "fixed"?


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Jun 15 2010
 
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I took the time to install the latest SVN, and I took a picture of the bug. I'd like to remind you that the bug can be seen by using the latest config I included last. Here is a screenshot of it.

http://i46.tinypic.com/11ih1fa.jpg


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jun 15 2010
 
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hopefully didn't take you too much time :-P

the bug is weird and two-folded:
a) the UNO is apparently not applied to the titlebar (did you restart kwin after updating)
b) the shadow below the UNO is dispositioned

your config works flawless here.

in case a) isn't fixed by a kwin restart:
i was recently playing around with the communication between kwin and the client (the feature was not removed but actually improved in casting the gradient over the full area instead padding the outer color)

rev. 1123 is the latest update and does a 3 staged attemp to align both.

b) is mega-weird, as the it seems the titleheight just isn't subtracted from the full height.
This could be a bug that occurs if you disabled the titlebar inclusion (are you on a big endian ssystem, like PPC?)
-> catched in rev. 1125 (but i'm not sure whether this is it)

Last question: you're not using compiz, are you?


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Jun 16 2010
 
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I'm not using Compiz. I'm using the default KWin effects. I'm running 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 on a Pentium 4 3.4GHz with Hyperthreading enabled.

Using rev 1125, the weird shadow issue in Dolphin is still existent.

After restarting, the UNO titlebar was perfectly fine, so that's not an issue at all apparently.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Jun 15 2010
 
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Oh, before I forget. The reply where I gave you a couple of images to show KDevelop. Notice how the UNO colors and style fit with in with the titlebar, but in the picture I just posted of Dolphin, notice how it's not the same. I haven't been able to get the titlebar to look the same way with the new SVN version.

Is it possible you could fix and/or introduce that feature/functionality back? I really enjoyed it, and it made my style look a whole lot nicer.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jun 16 2010
 
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ok, i'm sorry but you'll have to do a little debug investigation.

-> "svn up" to rev. 1126
-> uncomment line 136 in windows.cpp (there's a hint in the file) - recompile and (re - make sure there's no running dolphin process, try "killall dolphin") - start dolphin from konsole.

watch the output (there'll be some) and post the significant numbers.

if you changed your setup (bespin or esp. dolphin) compared to the screenshot, either post another scrot or use kruler to measure the toolbar height.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Jun 16 2010
 
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"After restarting, the UNO titlebar was perfectly fine, so that's not an issue at all apparently."

Don't worry about this one, last time I checked restarting fixed the issue. =D



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Jun 16 2010
 
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Oh wait, you were talking about the UNO titlebar not looking correct right? If not, excuse me, since you replied to the other comment I made.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jun 16 2010
 
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yeah, this is about the weird shadow thing ;-)
(the capped kde-look forum response depth sucks ;-)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Aug 3 2010
 
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I apologize for the extreme late-ness of my post. I've uncommented and compiled the code, and you can see the output of the console along with the entire window in this screenshot. Thanks!

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9213/snapshot43l.png



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by thomas12777 on: Aug 3 2010
 
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menubar / UNO / shadow related bugs are fixed in very recent Bespin versions (1160 i think...) and from the scrot it looks mostly ok to me.


UNO w/o a lower shadow is currently only possible by selecting the "sunken" UNO variant (leading to a shadow on the top border), you'd have to request if you really want to get rid of it ...


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Aug 3 2010
 
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Oh I see. No it's ok. I think I can find a configuration that looks good with the latest rev now.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Aug 4 2010
 
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Mostly, what I'm frustrated with is that I can't get the same look that I could get by simply using the UNO in rev 100126, because of the shadow. Even if it's sunken, there's this small one pixel line showing, and it's not as seamless like it used to be. :(



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dolphin and KDevelop

 
 by gravy on: Aug 4 2010
 
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Ahh, excuse that last statement about rev 100126. The version in the repos is "0.1~svn100126-0ubuntu2", and that's the version/rev I'm talking about.



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 Dolphin high CPU usage

 
 by i4dnf on: Jun 4 2010
 
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hi,
since the latest 2 or three revisions i've noticed that dolphin uses a lot of cpu, even when it should be idle, as long as the window is shown. also the crumbs flicker (the two seam related)


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 Re: Dolphin high CPU usage

 
 by i4dnf on: Jun 4 2010
 
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forgot to mention, it doesn't happen with any other style.


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 Re: Re: Dolphin high CPU usage

 
 by i4dnf on: Jun 4 2010
 
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now i've seen that you've fixed exactly this :)


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